And that's why we have to really talk about this a lot evangelize, I will go so far as to say, quite a lot in order to get people's attention, and make people realize that they are in a trance in this regard.

The idea is that I've been into several different markets not only web development this is important because if you don't understand how the other markets work, it's difficult for a person in my role for example to evangelize technology because I would be only seen one angle of how it's used so it was very important for me to be able to do do all these different works