The materiality and fleshiness and meat of the mushroom being explored by how it can hold up different objects being stuck into it.

And there on the smaller scale, the scale of an earring or a ceramic pot or a musical instrument, was a materiality and a soulfulness.

In the projects we've been working on, these slick buildings, where they might be a fancy shape, but the materiality feels the same, is something that we've been trying to research really, and explore alternatives.

But the materiality matters too, because in every society that anthropologists have looked at, material stuff operates as a kind of language a language of goods, a symbolic language that we use to tell each other stories stories, for example, about how important we are.